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Re: Apathy

Postby James » Sun Dec 30, 2007 3:16 pm

NathanSchneider wrote:As for the apathy of non-vegans, I believe normative influences play a significant role in holding people stationary. Animal use within society is not only prevalent, but pervasive as well. Put another way... absolutely massive numbers of animals are exploited, in every every way imaginable and within every aspect of life (sport, entertainment, companionship, experimentation, clothing, and food). People maturing within this culture, quickly (and unsurprisingly) come to see animal exploitation as completely and thoroughly normal and uncontroversial. Almost like breathing.

For most, the belief in human dominance over animals is second nature to the point of being sub-conscious. Our anthropocentric perception is continually reified and normalized by what we see and hear everyday (and also don't see or hear). Non-human corpse parts are advertised on TV commercials and every other form of media, and no one says anything or seems to care. Nearly every chef, scientist, and politician blithely accepts and personally consumes non-human flesh and/or secretions without any question whatsoever, and no one says anything or seems to care. Everyone wears non-human skin or hair for comfort or fashionability, and no one says anything or seems to care. A majority dominate/own the life of one or more cute or tough non-human "pets", and no one says anything or seems to care. Dairy and eggs are simply beneficial and pleasurable commodities that people seek the best deals on or varieties of, and no one says anything or seems to care. Person-X could eat foie gras with poached eggs and a tall glass of milk while wearing a fur coat in open view at a street corner bistro. Police officers, firefighters, taxi drivers, business people, tourists, everyone who walked by... simply wouldn't care or say anything to person-X.

Amidst this type of environment, suppose a vegan or some type of vegan propaganda comes along, and manages to generates some cognitive dissonance within a non-vegan individual. Look at everything they have to fall back upon! Not only is the non-morality of animal use normative within society at large, but everyone they personally know probably internalizes and represents the societal norm. From parental figures, to siblings, to friends, to peers or coworkers, to random strangers or acquaintances... all are normative influences upon us. They can help dissipate or obfuscate the guilt of responsibility experienced by non-vegans... through the normalization of animal exploitation. Making it seem accepted/okay/normal/non-controversial/non-moral/et cetera.


And the wost thing is that even most of the animal groups, with their welfare campaigns and "humane" animal products, are merely part of the instiutional mechanism that reinforces the speciesist paradigm.
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Re: Apathy

Postby Faunus » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:03 pm

Nazarov wrote:
Very well written.
It reminded me on one buddhistic sentence - at least the person who said it claimed that is buddhistic, but I never found in which buddhistic text is written - here is my translation: You cannot change the world, but you can change yourself, and with that you already changed the world.

We usually fell that, if I or some of us cannot change the world, system in our country or even made some changes in our local community, then it is not even worth trying. It appears that world is some kind of opposition to us/me, there is me on one side and unchangeable world on the other, or better: I just paraphrase Daniel with other words, we want to believe (in accordance with more general interests of course) that every change is impossible. But opposite is true, I am always part of this world, and with every change I made the world has changed.[/quote]

I particulary like that last sentence in Nazarov's post. You've probably heard the phrases, "become the change you want to see in the world", "be the person your dog thinks you are", and so on.

I'll take it a step further: experience the process of transformation and those silently awaiting it will have a frame of reference and be moved by that unfolding transformation. Wouldn't you admit that there are just some dynamic people that command attention without even trying? They just enter the room and BAM, bells rings. There may be something to the old Zen tale about being in a room full of silent bells, each designed to ring a different note. You break the silence by entering and ringing clearly in the key of "A", and all the bells designed to ring in the key of "A" begin to resonate without you touching them. This is how inspiration works I think. But in this analogy, the key of "A" is animal rights. But now what about the bells designed to ring in the key of C and other notes that are silent? The C note can be resonance of compassion or a new concept, and same with the other notes or other dynamic qualities. The more dynamic you are, the more qualities or bells with different notes you can resonate. I think that is why we can touch people in the "wrong way" or the "right way". We don't always have ourselves in-tune to be everything to everyone when delivering and/or inspiring a vegan-abolitionist concerto.

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Re: Apathy

Postby panthera » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:59 am

Faunus wrote:There may be something to the old Zen tale about being in a room full of silent bells, each designed to ring a different note. You break the silence by entering and ringing clearly in the key of "A", and all the bells designed to ring in the key of "A" begin to resonate without you touching them. This is how inspiration works I think. But in this analogy, the key of "A" is animal rights. But now what about the bells designed to ring in the key of C and other notes that are silent? The C note can be resonance of compassion or a new concept, and same with the other notes or other dynamic qualities. The more dynamic you are, the more qualities or bells with different notes you can resonate. I think that is why we can touch people in the "wrong way" or the "right way". We don't always have ourselves in-tune to be everything to everyone when delivering and/or inspiring a vegan-abolitionist concerto.

I love the bell analogy. And in fact, some of the bells tuned for other tones will also resonate a little if they're part of the overtone series of the tone first struck. So perhaps someone keyed-in to feminism might feel resonance, for example.

(I'm not sure what you mean about touching people in the right or wrong way, though)
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