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AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby beforewisdom » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:38 pm

What: FARMUSA.ORG's Animal Rights conference AR 2008
Where: "DC" - The Hilton Mark Center, Alexandria Virginia
When: Thursday 2008 August 14 - Monday 2008 August 18

Student discounts are available.

The conference really ends on Sunday 2008 August 17. The following Monday is usually a group protest day.

If you haven't been to one of these conferences yet I highly recommend it. The crowd is great, non-scary, and a very large, diverse group of vegans, AR people.

For more information see:
http://www.arconference.org/
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby hummingbird » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:21 pm

I have received FARM's newsletter last week. (fall 2007)
Farm president Alex Hershaft states, on page 2

I would like to know what does everybody think about it ? :?

quote,

" The world won't go vegan in the near future, so let's reduce the suffering of
innocent animals though welfare reforms. " Few people who care about animals
can resist a proposition so enticing. And that included myself, when I founded
Farm Animal Reform Movement more than 30 years ago.
For half of those years, I vigorously pursued campaigns to ban the veal crate
and to fund and enforce the Humane Slaughter Act.

However entincing, this proposition is based on several faulty premises.
First, our work is not about the world going vegan at any specific date, but
about reducing animals suffering by cutting their consumption, one person
and one meal at a time. Each friend, relative, or passerby who " kicks the
meat habit" saves 34 land animals per year (in excess of 2000 in a lifetime),
from factory farm and slaughterhouse atorocities, as well as countless aquatic
animals.

Second, significant welfare reforms would require a great deal of money, land,
energy, manpower, and other resouces, and thus, a fundamental restruturing
of the meat and dairy industries. This is much more far-fetched than the likeli-
hood of a significant number of consumers cutting their meat consumption.

But the worst consequence of advocating welfare reforms is the public perception
that such advocacy sanctions continued abuse and slaughter of animals for food.
Sadly, on the campaign trail, welfare reform advocates are frequently forced to
deny their animal liberetion ideology.

The statistics are clear: 93 percent of Americans consumers oppose farmed
animal abuse and 97 percent continue eating them. Welfare reforms are a win-
win situation for consumers and industry. Only the animals lose. We need to
send a clear message that the only way to help animals is to stop eating them.

Did I mention that we are now the Farm Animal Rights Movement?

- Alex Hershaft
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby Green Kolibri » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:21 am

Thank you for posting that FARM 's article, hummingbird. I saw it too and I can't see it other then CONDEMNATION OF WELFARISM
I was very happy to read that editorial by Alex Hershaft. Even though the first phrase
" The world won't go vegan in the near future, so let's reduce the suffering of innocent animals though welfare reforms"
for a moment turned me away: "Oh, no, not again...." then i understood that he actually quotes what Peta and HSUS tell the activists why vegans have to work on welfare campaigns, because according to Peta and HSUS "world is not going to go vegan in the near future". (I can't help wondering how they managed so successfully plant that direction into animal liberation movement and seriously disable it. Some leadership!). Alex criticizes that approach.

What Alex Hershaft says is that
welfare reforms require a great deal of money, land, energy, manpower and the worst consequences of advocating welfare reforms is the public perception that such advocacy sanctions continued abuse and slaughter of animals for food.
He adds that
welfare reforms are a win-win situation for consumers and industry. Only animals lose.

So, again, I can't see it other then CONDEMNATION OF WELFARISM.
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby hummingbird » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:21 am

I agree with you Green Kolibri,

Alex certainly condemins welfarism.
I have been to FARM's AR conferences many times in the past.
However I did not attend AR 2007, because I see too many (new
or traditional) welfarists on the conference floor.
Since Alex did express his condemination of welfarism, I would
rethink to attend AR2008.
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby panthera » Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:55 am

That is EXCELLENT news! It was Alex's opening speech during AR2006 that clinched my decision to go vegan. FARM got me committed to animal advocacy, and I was sorry to learn that they were not abolitionist. Hooray for them!

I do recall hearing Alex remind us "empty cages, not bigger cages" and it was that first conference where I encountered abolitionism. A few brave souls made comments in workshops (Sean Day actually debated Bruce Friedrich) and I remember thinking that they were unrealistic, that they had good points that should be considered.

So FARM is changing its name, eh? :D
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby beforewisdom » Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:25 pm

hummingbird wrote:I have been to FARM's AR conferences many times in the past.
However I did not attend AR 2007, because I see too many (new
or traditional) welfarists on the conference floor.
Since Alex did express his condemination of welfarism, I would
rethink to attend AR2008.


I don't understand your objection. Do you object to welfarist speakers, welfarist tables in the display area, or welfarist attendees?

Especially considering the things HSUS is doing with TAFA I value a conference where people of two different viewpoints come together.

It is fairly useless to go to a conference where everyone thinks like I do. There is nobody new to persuade over to my thinking and I can't learn much new as there isn't anyone who doesn't think like me.
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby hummingbird » Wed Dec 12, 2007 10:16 pm

I have enough heard about welfareist's claims.
I am tired of hearing their claims such as,
let's reduce suffering of animals, or two track
activists.
I don't see any progressive from those claims.
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby Green Kolibri » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:14 am

Yes, hummingbird, i also hope that this coming conference will be for Animal Rights and about what we can do to stop exploitation and murder of innocent animals instead of being forced into endless discussions with welfarists, who just take our energy and time. Instead of helping animals and finding the most efficient ways for vegan outreach we have to fight the battle with welfarist, who just prolong animal suffering. It would be nice to work productivly for the animals and not to have supporters of their exploitation interfirring into this work.

Please visit http://www.peacefulchoices.com/ a great abolitionist place. Take a look at the billboard they installed in Denver. That group fights for the animals on a very small budget.Image
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby hummingbird » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:03 am

I certainly don't want to waste my time and energy for
such fruitless discussions.
I would like to focus on abolitionist approach.
Prof. Gary Francione said, forget about PETA, forget about HSUS,
forget about Peter Singer, just forget about them,
we should work outside of the movement.

Thank you for the link, Green Kolibri, I applaud their effort to fight
for animals!
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Re: AR 2008 in "DC" August 14 - 18

Postby James » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:12 pm

beforewisdom wrote:I don't understand your objection. Do you object to welfarist speakers, welfarist tables in the display area, or welfarist attendees?


We object to the welfare movement because it sanitizes and promotes efficient exploitation. Moreover, this movement only exists by virtue of people's participation in it, in the same way that animal exploitation only exists by virtue of the demand for animal products. Aboltionism is principled noncooperation, nonoparticipation in animal oppression, and that involves noncooperation, nonparticipation in welfarism, which constitutes one half of the exploitative system. The idea that it is problematic not to cooperate in welfarist events is like saying that it is problematic not to attend the Beef Cattleman Association's annual dinner and dance.

beforewisdom wrote:It is fairly useless to go to a conference where everyone thinks like I do. There is nobody new to persuade over to my thinking and I can't learn much new as there isn't anyone who doesn't think like me.


It is foolish not to pay attention to empirical evidence. Yet we have decades worth of empirical evidence showing that the new welfarist movement is either not willing or able to change. Most people have not just arbitrarily decided not to attend welfarist events anymore. After years, maybe even decades, of attending welfarist events, people are now realizing that that they are not worth the time and effort. It has been a gradual, and in some cases difficult, process of awakening to the fact that corporate welfarism and radical abolition are very different, indeed incompatible, responses to the problem of animal exploitation. When welfarism is the problem, boycotting it is the solution.
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