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"Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby Green Kolibri » Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:36 pm

This is the topic for the United Poultry Concerns' 8th Annual Conference. March 29-30, 2008
The ad for the conference says:
"This conference asks: Is there a conflict between working for welfare reforms and urging people to stop viewing animals as edibles and go vegan? Should activists work to reduce the suffering of billions of chickens and other animals who will never see a vegan world, or such work counterproductive - a moral betrayal of animals?...."

The speakers:
Karen Davis, UPC
Harold Brown, Farm Sanctuary
Bruce Friedrich, PETA
Patty Mark, Animal Liberation Victoria in Australia
Christine Morrisey, East Bay Animal Advocates
Roberta Schiff, Mid Hudson Vegetarian Society
Paul Shapiro, HSUS

As far as i can see most of the speakers are active promoters of welfare work (although I havn't heard what Karen Davis and Roberta Schiff stand for). Is it another attempt to brainwash animal people?

I saw only one name, who is active follower of ABOLITIONIST APPROACH - Patty Mark. Here is what she said during an interview with her, posted by Satya: "The Importance of being Honest"

"Sadly it’s taken me over 20 years to clearly see that humane standards for farmed animals and promoting any animal product is not only a waste of our time, but it’s supporting factory farming and abattoirs. We all become set in our ways (just like the meat-eaters!), so it’s vital and of utmost importance to always keep one’s mind open and questioning our attitudes, tactics and strategies. We can be so grateful for authors like Professor of Law, Gary Francione, writing against the property status of animals and the importance of an abolitionist agenda, and for all those groups and individuals who relentlessly encourage and support a vegan lifestyle. "

"I remember in the early 80s I heavily promoted free-range eggs and sincerely believed it was a good thing. However, knowing all we know now, and after seeing all I’ve seen inside animal farms and abattoirs, I think this is a dead end street—no, worse—it’s the WRONG WAY, GO BACK sign on the freeway. I sincerely believe more good would be done by spending that time and those resources on rescuing or taking in factory farmed animals; distributing vegan literature, promoting vegan cookbooks and restaurants, teaching vegan cooking, sponsoring vegan events or school lunches and organizing regular vegan expos and festivals, which more and more groups are now doing.
The whole interview (from September 2006) is herehttp://www.satyamag.com/sept06/mark.html

The conference will take place in Norfolk, Virginia
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby panthera » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:33 am

What a quote! To go from someone who heavily promoted free-range eggs, to someone who says it's worse than a dead-end, is really something. Thanks for the quote.

I'd be surprised if Karen Davis weren't an abolitionist. She's certainly not going to be happy about the explosion of cage-free eggs! I'd like to see Paul Shapiro & Bruce Friedrich try to support cage-free eggs right in her face. This woman is passionate about chickens. And extremely knowledgeable and well-spoken.

Hmmm, Virginia, eh, maybe I could make a trip down there.
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby panthera » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:56 am

oops. I guess not:

United Poultry Concerns June 9, 2005 Hens Will No Longer Be Starved But They Will Still Suffer

A Short History of United Poultry Concerns’ Effort to Eliminate Forced Molting by the U.S. Egg Industry and Why the Fight is Not Over

@2005 By Karen Davis, PhD, President of United Poultry Concerns

Following an intense 13-year animal advocacy campaign launched by United Poultry Concerns (UPC) in 1992, the US egg industry trade group, United Egg Producers, has issued a ban on forcing hens to drop their feathers (molt) by going without food in the practice known as forced molting – “reversing a practice followed for more than 100 years,” according to the agribusiness journal Feedstuffs on May 9, 2005 (Smith).
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Determined to get firsthand testimony, in January of 1998 UPC mailed surveys to 100 U.S. egg companies that resulted in several statements signed by company owners and managers that they force-molted their hens by depriving them of food from 4 to 14 days at a time – that is, some companies used a 4-day program, others a 12-day program, others a 14-day program, and so on.

That same year in response to our complaints, we received letters from USDA’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) and Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) acknowledging both the inhumaneness of withholding food from hens and the link between forced molting by food deprivation and Salmonella enteritidis in hens and their eggs. APHIS administrator Craig A. Reed wrote to UPC: “We understand and share your concerns about the humaneness of this practice as well as the food safety issue.” He added, “The UPC campaign on the forced molting of poultry will help to raise the public consciousness on the issue and create opportunities for action from interested parties.” That is what happened.

Armed with the science, United Poultry Concerns and the Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights petitioned the Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 1998 to prohibit the force-molting-induced starvation of hens while conducting a major letter-writing campaign by our members. On August 8, 2000, Feedstuffs announced that “A recent campaign by the activist group United Poultry Concerns generated more than 5,000 cards, letters and signed petitions to the offices of the United Egg Producers in Atlanta, calling for the egg industry to discontinue its practice to force hens to molt” (“UEP plans research”).

The previous year UPC filed a Freedom of Information Act request resulting in 57 pages of documents from USDA’s Farm Animal Well-Being Task Group confirming USDA’s knowledge of, and describing in detail, the systemic and infectious disease-producing effects of force-molting hens by starving them.
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Thereupon the egg industry began scrambling for low nutrient “molt diets” to replace a practice that by then was being criticized roundly and broadcast widely. Suddenly the “necessary” and “beneficial” practice of starving hens to “rest” and “fast” the survivors for another round of relentless egg laying could be replaced by something less blatantly, inhumanly cruel.

A Start But Not the End of the Story.

United Poultry Concerns claims a genuine if qualified achievement benefiting millions of hens in having carried through our campaign to eliminate forced molting by food deprivation. Qualified, because the practice of forcing hens to molt artificially to benefit the economics of egg production continues, albeit with wheat middlings, corn combinations and/or other low protein, low calcium components. Qualified, because the more than a century long business of experimental “research” into the withholding of various nutrients from hens continues – one nutrient, one trace element per study at a time versus “control” groups of “fasted” or “full-fed” hens whose responses are represented in terms of graphs, charts, power points, and mathematical symbols.

Instead of being starved to the point of inanition, force-molted hens under the new “animal welfare” regimen receive just enough nutrients to maintain sufficient energy to express their frustration in a situation that transforms every natural behavior into a complicated torment. In nature (the tropical forests in which chickens evolved, continue to thrive, and which they carry genetically inside themselves), or any similar range situation, chickens, being foragers, know how to optimize nutritional balances and satisfy hunger. Confined they have no such options.

As a result, unless they are too moribund by starvation or semi-starvation to move, chickens may seek the nutrients they need by, for example, pulling at each others’ protein-rich feathers. Or given that chickens have been shown to perform an average of 15,000 pecks a day and to spend between 50 percent and 90 percent of their day foraging – exploring the ground with their claws and beaks for bugs, plants and other items of interest, as noted by Dawkins, Harrison, Picard, Webster and others – they may be driven to peck at each other because even “full-fed” chickens are genetically motivated to peck. Indeed, harmful pecking of one another “is never seen among wild chickens,” as McBride, Keeling and other ethologists have pointed out.

Despite these well-established facts about chickens, force-molting experimenters continue to lump the pecking behavior of confined, nutritionally deprived hens under the single term “aggression” (Anderson), as if to suggest that these starving and semi-starving hens are engaged in unprovoked violent attacks on each other. The only beak-related behaviors not labeled “aggression” are the ingesting of the dry mash in the trough in front of the cages, drinking from the nipple drinker, and attempts by the “beak-trimmed” hen to preen herself.

Ingesting mash will never satisfy the pecking instincts of chickens, and can hardly be called pecking. A chicken’s skilled motivation to choose which grains to peck at is frustrated by the fine-ground uniform texture of mash, as Dr. Lesley Rogers, for example, points out. In addition, as well as functioning as an exploratory hand, the beak of a chicken is a manipulative organ. Chickens with intact beaks groom one anothers’ faces delicately, chickens with mutilated beaks do so clumsily creating an appearance of aggression that is really frustration.

But chickens also use their beaks to snap, grab, yank, tear, and bite at things. In addition to hard grains, seeds, and small stones of various textures and sizes, chickens prefer flexible edibles that resist and provide tension with the beak – melons, leaves, worms, cabbages and the like. However, the only things chickens have in the cage that fit this description are one anothers’ flesh and feathers.

As long as chickens have just enough energy (nutrition) to express the patterns of life that define them as chickens, while being deprived of environmental resources that correlate with those patterns of energy, they will suffer. Forced molting, whether by food deprivation or nutrient restriction, bears no resemblance to natural molting to replace old feathers and maintain healthy plumage or to the brooding behavior of a mother hen sitting on her eggs.

Forced molting, by its very nature, does not correlate with animal care or wellbeing. Forced molting is part of a system in which “trouble occurs within flocks of hens when the quality of the total environment is inadequate,” as Ruth Harrison explained 14 years ago in New Scientist. In “the myth of the barn egg,” Harrison, who was then criticizing conditions in the U.K., didn’t even address forced molting (a practice confined largely to the U.S.), yet she made it perfectly clear why even hens uncaged in buildings, or barns, suffer complicated frustrations that result in distorted behaviors when the captive environment does not meet their needs. And she provides a detailed picture of how to improve that environment, which depends on implementing the understanding that “it is not only the quality of the individual components but the relationship between those components that is important” to chickens.

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United Poultry Concerns is a nonprofit organization that promotes the compassionate and respectful treatment of domestic fowl. http://www.upc-online.org

They sure put a lot of energy into stopping forced molting, but she actually points out that it still goes on in experiments, as controls for different types of minimal nutrient diets!!! And how do people read this stuff and not go vegan?
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby hummingbird » Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:10 am

Neverthelss, Davis takes a position characteristic of new welfarism and argues that even though
"humane slaughter is oxymoron," she feels that " as long as we're slaughtering them,... they are
at least entitled to the consistent coverage with cattle and sheep."

Rain Without Thunder ( Page 100)
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby panthera » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:51 am

yes, you're right, she's not an abolitionist after all.

So maybe Patty Mark is alone after all? Although I just saw someone target Harold Brown for being a "one-track activist" meaning abolitionist.
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby hummingbird » Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:27 pm

I don't know very much about Harold Brown's position.
What does it mean "one- track activist" meaning abolitionist ?
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby Green Kolibri » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:16 pm

It will be interesting to see what Harold Brown says at the conference. I read a few of his posts and to me it looked like he was saying that welfare work hasn't shown any significant positive results for the animals. At the same time i am afraid that Patty Mark might be the only one there, who stands for going to the roots of the problem and instead of spending enormous efforts for mild changes concentrate all the work on elimination of property status for the animals.
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby panthera » Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:54 pm

hummingbird wrote:What does it mean "one- track activist" meaning abolitionist ?

One-Track Activism: Animals Pay the Price
By Norm Phelps

A vocal and sometimes intimidating clique is trying to seize control of the animal rights movement. (I realize that to anyone who has not followed this controversy, that may sound over-the-top. I only wish it were, but even a cursory review of their articles and speeches reveals the air of absolute certainty and intolerance of differing views that are usually associated with some forms of religious fundamentalism.) They call themselves “abolitionists” and those who differ with them “welfarists.” While I don’t doubt that many of them are well-intentioned, I think it makes more sense to think of them as “one-track activists” because they insist that there is only one right way to campaign for animal rights, their way, and anyone who pursues other tactics has no legitimate place in the animal rights movement. Specifically, they claim that campaigns for interim bans that reduce suffering—like an end to the use of battery cages and gestation crates—actually harm animals and should be condemned by animal rights advocates. With an unconscious tip of the hat to George Orwell, they literally argue that attempting to improve conditions for animals is something that no animal rights activist can do.

The argument of the one-track activists is twofold: First, they claim that campaigns for reforms that ease the suffering of farmed animals imply that raising and slaughtering animals for human food is acceptable so long as it is done “humanely.” Thus, so this argument runs, the “welfare” message undercuts the “abolition” message and makes it easier for the public to eat animal products with a clear conscience. Their second argument is that campaigning for the reform of the worst abuses of factory farming actually reinforces the legal status of animals as property because it does not challenge that status directly. According to this line of reasoning, since all animal exploitation rests upon the property status of animals, any campaign that does not directly challenge that status is counterproductive.


http://www.veganoutreach.org/articles/normphelps.html
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby hummingbird » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:08 am

Thanks for the link, panthera.

Well, It is nothing new, same old new welfarist's claim.

Welfarists pursue reforms, it's fine.
I am a California registered voter,
I would uneqivocaly say, I am not going to lift my finger to collect signatures
for such voter initiative. If I have time and energy I rather talk to people
about veganism than asking signatures.
What's gonna happen if the initiative becoms law ?
It brings welfare orgs glory and money, yet very little or most likely nothing for
animals.

Yes, indeed Norm Phelps is right, animals pay the price, because of new welfarist
position. How sad it is.
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Re: "Cage Free, Animal Friendly, Go Vegan - What's the Problem?"

Postby Daniel » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:11 pm

Green Kolibri wrote:"Should activists work to reduce the suffering of billions of chickens and other animals who will never see a vegan world, or such work counterproductive - a moral betrayal of animals?...."

This question is problematic. It suggests that the "suffering of billions of chickens and other animals" currently being exploited will be reduced in someway, but that's a lie. These chickens currently being exploited will have been killed long before any "reformed" method of exploitation is implemented. When the reformed method of exploitation is put in place many more animals will be bred to fill these refurbished facilities. For the hen bred into "cage-free" exploitation there is no reduction. To her the reformed method of exploitation is purely an increase in suffering. Of course it's a moral betrayal to actually fight for such increases in exploitation.
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