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Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby Daniel » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:29 pm

The ARCO lists the "Vegan Talk" forum under the "Less Cruel Diets" grouping. This is troublesome because it perpetuates a common misunderstanding of the difference between veganism and vegetarianism. Here's a quote is from "Veganism Defined," which I posted earlier in this forum:

If, for example, the vegan principle is applied to diet, it can at once be seen why it must be vegetarian in the strictest sense and why it cannot contain any foods derived from animals. One may become a vegetarian for a variety of reasons - humanitarian, health, or mere preference for such a diet; The principle is a matter of personal feeling, and varies accordingly. Veganism, however, is a principle - that man has no right to exploit the creatures for his own ends - and no variation occurs. Vegan diet is therefore derived entirely from "fruits, nuts, vegetables, grains and other wholesome non-animal products," and excludes "flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey and animal milk and its derivatives.''

I'm quoting it here in a new topic because I think it makes an important distinction between the diet of vegetarianism and the philosophy of veganism. Unfortunately, veganism is too often used as a synonym for vegetarianism without egg or dairy. This belittles veganism because it reduces the vegan philosophy to a practice that is merely an extension of the principle of non-exploitation.

Another article on the difference between veganism and vegetarianism is Jo Stepaniak's essay "The Name Game: Coming to Terms." I recommend going to the link and reading the full essay, but here are a few excerpts:

The word "vegetarian" has always dealt solely with what a person eats; it has never delved into the reasoning behind a person's decision to practice a meat-free diet and therefore does not address motivation. Consequently, vegetarians embrace a wide range of perspectives and rationales. ...

Unlike vegetarianism, veganism has always had a specific, unifying philosophy associated with it, and, in addition, has always dealt with much more than what one eats. ... The Vegan Society was the first organized secular group to promote a compassionate lifestyle. Their definition of "veganism," which is accepted as the decisive standard worldwide, is as follows:

    Veganism is a way of living which excludes all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, the animal kingdom, and includes a reverence for life. It applies to the practice of living on the products of the plant kingdom to the exclusion of flesh, fish, fowl, eggs, honey, animal milk and its derivatives, and encourages the use of alternatives for all commodities derived wholly or in part from animals.
In its Articles of Association, the legal documents of the Society, a slightly different version is presented:

    Veganism denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude - as far as is possible and practical - all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals, and the environment.
Both interpretations begin by stating that veganism is a "way of life," and "a philosophy." Neither emphasizes diet over other aspects of compassionate living, because in vegan practice no one area is more significant than another; all are expected to be implemented simultaneously. ...

The purpose and parameters of veganism are clearly outlined in these definitions. They offer a distinct contrast to vegetarianism, which is concerned strictly with diet, and even then asserts that certain foods may be left up to personal choice. On the other hand, the explanation of veganism leaves virtually no room for individual interpretation. Although it recognizes the impossibility of perfect implementation of its tenets, it provides unequivocal guidelines for not only food choices but all other aspects of living. Furthermore, it presents a reasoned doctrine that clarifies the specific rationale that underscores the choice to be vegan. Such a coalescence of consciousness is something that isn't included in vegetarianism. Yet it has, from its inception, been an integral and pivotal aspect of being vegan.

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The neologism "dietary vegan" has been used to describe "total vegetarians" - people who avoid all animal products in diet only. This term is problematic because it distorts the meaning of "vegan" by narrowing it down to issues related solely to food. Veganism is not about food; it is about reverence for life. By minimizing it's substance, we diminish the word's value. With this fandangle term, "vegan" loses its defining characteristics and ultimately becomes meaningless. What, then, differentiates "dietary vegan" from "total vegetarian" or "total vegetarian" from "vegetarian"? Suddenly we have a confusing, oxymoronic set of useless vocabulary that confounds all who hear it. Not surprisingly, the misinformed masses emerge, vigorously defending the language they believe is accurate and fitting.

This distinction between veganism and vegetarianism is meant to clarify their meanings, and it shouldn't be taken to mean the two are opposed to each other. After all, vegans are practicing vegetarians in the strictest sense, and vegetarianism is often a starting point for many future vegans. The founders of veganism always promoted close cooperation with vegetarian groups and individuals. But, like Stepaniak wrote about "dietary vegan," placing a vegan forum under "diets" is minimizing. As a practical philosophy of life veganism would better fit under the "Activists" listing.
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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby panthera » Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:54 pm

I think the admin has changed a lot since he set up the forum there. Let's see what he says. I hardly ever look at the sections anymore, but I agree it'd be good to have them reflect the fact that veganism is not just another type of "less cruel diet." Good catch!
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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby Daniel » Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:59 pm

Yeah, I've been a member of the ARCO for awhile and I just noticed it. I didn't mean to single out ARCO. But since it something that comes up I lot I thought I'd post about it here so people could discuss it. I really love how this forum is linking up veganism with abolition. It's the only vegan forum I know of that is doing that in such a clear and straightforward way. I think it would be awesome to see this catch on. :D
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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby Minoesj » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:26 pm

Daniel, thanks for adressing this issue. I have already been thinking awhile about making some changes and wwanted to move the vegan forum to a new category, or changing Less cruel diets to something else.
I agree the activists category is ideal and will move it to there later today.

I have actually started to make some edits to the animalsuffering homepage a few days ago, I had a look at it last week and was ashamed about a lot of the content. It just doesn't follow my new views on animal rights. I made the site when I still was convinced a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet was the answer to an animal rights minded society :oops:

I could really use some help with articles :P
Like why animal rights and animal welfare are so different and welfarism can work contra-productive; what veganism is all about;why veganism is the only solution;etc....
If anyone feels called please let me know, the rest of the site (without the forum) gets a fair amount of daily visitors, so if you would send in an article you can be sure it will be read...
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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby panthera » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:03 am

I just finished a paper for an English class that was in the style of a feature-length magazine article. It's in a thread "teaching about AR in school" or something like that.

Maybe I should post it there - I completely forgot there's a section for that! I even came up with a joke about ovo-lacto-vegetarians and animal rights activists!
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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby Minoesj » Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:41 am

I have just made the change in the directory as well.
I moved the vegan category to the main directory.

Daniel again thanks for your suggestion.
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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby Daniel » Wed Dec 19, 2007 5:02 am

You're welcome. I'm glad you found my suggestion helpful :D .
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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby Faunus » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:31 pm

Hello Daniel!

That was an excellent topic to bring up. Thanks heaps! I wholeheartedly agree that veganism is not a "diet thing" exclusively; diet is only one facet of it. Veganism to me is about consciousness of the human animal extending its awareness and respect to nonhuman animal species and behaving accordingly by not exploiting them in any way, directly or indirectly.

My question to you and other viewers is: under what catagory do you put the self-proclaimed "vegan" who has given up all participation in nonhuman animal exploitation, yet will do, for example, demos against KFC and promote the gassing of chickens and other PeTAphile like activities? Is this a "delusional vegan", a "misguided vegan", a "pseudo-vegan" - or just what?

It seems to me that ANY activity promoting the exploitation and suffering (even if "less suffering") of nonhuman animals would disqualify them as vegans. Especially so if the organisation they belong to has stocks in the companies they claim to want to defeat.

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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby mountainvegan » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:17 pm

I would call such a "vegan" and "welfarist vegan" or simply leave the word vegan in quotes when referring to that kind of "vegan."
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Re: Difference Between Veganism and Vegetarianism

Postby Faunus » Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:13 am

Thanks Mountainvegan! I hadn't thought of that one. I view vegans, whether they are activists or not, as broadcasting stations regardless of their awareness of being one; none of us live in complete isolation. Yes, some have more outreach than others and it can be intentional or unintentional communication of veganism. So when I see members of our local welfarist group (Georgia Animal Rights and Protection) calling for a demo against KFC until they use controlled atmospheric killing (as well as other welfarist single issue campaigns), and many of them are vegan - I question this schizoid behaviour. To me - our thinking, personal behaviour, committments, moral baseline and its interpersonal and/or public presentation must be in alignment. This inconsistency has had me questioning how valid it is to refer to themselves as "vegan". "Schizoid welfarist vegan" is perhaps another option, at least in my own thinking.
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